And so will diligence without God. So grateful for Benner’s insight and wisdom, and especially his down to earth literary genius . let your requests be made known to God . The first answer is that the suffering is coming from hostile adversaries. Another glimpse of their suffering is the reference to the hostility against Jesus (verse 3): “Consider him who has endured such hostility by sinners against himself.” Why consider this? Answer: Self-discipline is essentially the same as self-control, one of the nine fruits of the Spirit listed by Paul in Galatians 5:22-23. That’s the burden of this passage. Will you trust him? The concept of desiring the will of God before knowing the will of God is revolutionary and catalytic to our intimacy with God. We do not think the same or act the same because we serve a different Master. Here Steve exposes the common danger we all face in learning the “how” of spiritual disciplines without the “why.” He presses us to think about our heart motivations to read the bible and pray more, so we will cultivate […] Someone might ask, does this principle of discipline apply to things like natural calamities and sicknesses that are not caused by the hostility of sinners? The suffering comes from the hostility of sinners. There is rest and peace in the Christian soul. And when I got on the driveway the sun was as bright, as glorious as could be. I believe in the Holy Spirit. And so what we need to remember is that we are always loved. . He rules over sinners and Satan, and they unwittingly, and with no less fault or guilt, fulfill his wise and loving purposes of discipline in our lives. All of our resources exist to guide you toward everlasting joy in Jesus Christ. He hits hard at the idea that we must appropriate the Gospel for ourselves every day, confessing our sins and turning to the cross. Piper continues on with the topic of prayer... Where a man belongs is at the bedside of his children, leading in devotion and prayer. 12:5–11). The video above is from the Desiring God Ministries website with a lightly edited transcript below. I think it will be helpful to approach verses 3–11 like this: First, then, let’s notice the thread of suffering that runs through this section. His discipline is to prune every branch in our lives that does not bear fruit so that our lives can increase its yield. All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.” Four words: our good, our holiness, our peace, and our righteousness. Who is doing this? But he is even willing to tell us more. They say that God is not in charge of the evil that happens to us. Will you let the Word of God settle the issue for you, so that when the suffering comes, you don’t turn on God and put him in the dock and prosecute him with accusations? The stress level here is huge. (See Hebrews 11:36). So the point there is God is always disciplining us. That is the first answer. When a sinning believer is rebuked and he turns from his sin and is forgiven, he is won back to fellowship with the body and with its head, Jesus Christ. Discipline is not legalism. The book of Hebrews is a very mature and sober book when it comes to the pain and stress of Christian living and the endurance that it takes to run the race and fight the fight and finish well. "Before I was afflicted I went astray," David wrote, "but now I keep Your Word" (Psalm 119:67). And it wasn’t because Job was acting in any overt, sinful way that needed discipline, but it did turn out in the end that Job had some sediment of pride at the bottom of his life that got jostled up into that beaker of life. There is hostility and trouble and stress and suffering, but evidently no martyrs yet. This book is excellent. I can give you an illustration. It goes deeper than the average. For 33 years, he served as pastor of Bethlehem Baptist Church, Minneapolis, Minnesota. He has learned from Israel’s history which played on repeat: first blessing, then forgetfulness, idolatry, discipline and exile, repentance. And the big “if” is: will you believe this? This was about 35 years ago when we were still teaching. John Piper is founder and teacher of desiringGod.org and chancellor of Bethlehem College & Seminary. He has got this sediment at this bottom and then you shake the glass and, whoa, there it comes. Notice very carefully: this text does not say that God looks on while hostile sinners hurt his people, or while Satan ravages the elect, and only then steps in to turn all this evil for good. His discipline is purposeful and brings us life. You never do anything right.” God never loses control like that. At the end of his life, Paul said in 2 Timothy 4:7, “I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith.” Keeping the faith is a fight to be fought and a race to be run. We are at the very beginning of a new year. . These distinctive roles are not the vestiges of a bygone era, but integral to GodÕs timeless, good design for humanity. It is not the main one, and it is not the decisive one. Who is whipping? Most people in the world have no experience of lasting joy in their lives. Hebrews 12:6, he disciplines those whom he loves. You mean like he stopped being disobedient and became obedient and thus sinned?” No, that is not what it says and that is not what it means. “A whole crate of pears just rotted in the garage!” I said, and on and on and on. And now he brings this legacy of suffering up to date and applies it to the believers of his day. God is so wise that in the end His discipline molds us into Christ’s likeness – so we become what God intends us to be. In other words, the more easy and pain-free your life has been, the less you will cherish the kind of spirituality taught in this book. I believe the hostility of sinners is more difficult to attribute to God’s design. Our wholeness as human beings created in God’s image depends on it. The Scriptures tell us about God Himself—His work, His character, His attributes. Hebrews 5:8 says “[Jesus] learned obedience through what he suffered.” Now a lot of people read that and they say, “Whoa. 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